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#352776 - 28/09/04 03:28 AM Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators. *****
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Since I’ve been seeing a lot of posts throughout my time here about batteries, I thought I would try to create a post to help everyone out with some good information about batteries. I want to make sure it’s clearly stated, the myths and misconceptions are removed, and the truth is laid out. So here goes!

AN INTRODUCTION TO AUTOMOTIVE BATTERIES

An automotive battery is an electricity storage device. It produces DC (direct current) current for operation of the car’s starter and electronic accessories. A battery is an electrochemical device, meaning that it uses a chemical reaction to store or release electrical energy. This is in the same manner as that of an alternator being an electromechanical device, because it uses a mechanical motion to create an electric current.

Batteries do not create an indefinite source of electricity. A battery can only store electricity. They must be recharged by an outside source. This is the purpose of the alternator. It charges the battery between starting and using accessories while the engine is running. When the car’s engine and accessories do not require the full output of the alternator, a portion of its output is taken by the battery to recharge it. Once the battery is fully charged to 12.6 volts, it requires less power from the alternator. This system of discharging and charging is called a cycle. If a battery is drained until it is nearly dead, the charging process completes what is called a deep cycle. Most automotive batteries are not capable of deep cycling and typically cannot handle this type of use more than once or twice. Repeated deep cycling of a battery will result in the battery’s inability to hold a charge for a long period of time, causing the battery to be dead by morning, or when you come out of a store or restaurant. Special batteries have been designed to handle this use, and are available from most audio store and parts stores. They are typically more expensive, and usually do not have the cranking power for starting. This is changing now, with batteries such as the Optima Yellow Top and Optima Blue Top. These batteries are designed for starting/deep cycling applications. Many other manufacturers produce a starting/deep cycle battery, but those two are the most popular brands.

WHAT BATTERY DO I NEED?

To understand what battery you need for your application, you will need to know a few things. First of all, will you be using this battery for starting or accessories or both? If you only need it for starting purposes, you will need to match the batteries Cranking Amps and Cold Cranking Amps with the specific needs for your car. You can do this by getting a battery that meets or exceeds the rating of your existing battery. If you want a second battery for accessories that will be run with the car off, you want to get a deep cycle battery with a significant Reserve Capacity. The battery’s Reserve Capacity tells you how long the battery can supply a 10 amp current before falling to 10.7 volts while at 80 degrees Fahrenheit. To do both starting and accessories, you will need a deep cycle battery with significant Cranking power and reserve time. You will need enough power to start your car, and some time to run your stereo or other accessories. You could still be stuck with a dead battery, but you may have a longer time to wait to start your car, and better battery life in this application. This is acceptable for short draws or low amperage applications. You won’t run a pair of 1500 watt amplifiers for very long at full volume and still start the car, but you could play the radio alone for quite some time, upwards of two hours for some batteries, and depending on the radio’s current draw and what other accessories may be on at the time.

I WANT TO PLAY MY SYSTEM WITH THE CAR OFF FOR A LONG TIME

If you want to run a large system with a high current draw while the car is off, you’ll need to add a second battery that is isolated from the main starting battery. By isolated, I mean only when the car is not running. This prevents two things. First, it prevents whatever you are running from draining your starting battery. If your starting battery is dead, you’ve done no good by adding a second battery. All you did was play your system longer before you car could no longer start. Second, you need to prevent the two batteries from draining each other. That’s right. Even two IDENTICAL brand, model and rating batteries will slowly drain each other dead over a period of time. This may be a week or overnight depending on the condition of the batteries, or how closely matched they are. This would be quite damaging to the batteries. You could totally drain your starting battery and your deep cycle, but now the starting battery will dissipate its charge more quickly and will drain your deep cycles faster with it. This draining of two batteries by each other is due to the slight electrical difference in each circuit. The internal resistance of each battery may be different, its capable charging voltage may be different, many other things can allow this. But what prevent these two scenarios from playing out?

A DUAL BATTERY ISOLATOR

A dual battery isolator is either an electronic, electrical or electromechanical device that separates the positive terminals of two batteries that share a charging system when the batteries are NOT being charged. The isolator is switched either by the car’s ignition switch, or by internal circuits in the isolator that detect the line voltage and can open or close the circuit. There are MANY different types of isolators. Just go to www.yahoo.com and search for “dual battery isolator” and look through the different companies you find. You’ll see every different types of isolators that are suitable for your needs. I won’t go into individual design of all the types but I will describe, briefly, the 3 major systems for preventing the draining of both batteries by the same current draw.

Diode isolators use a group of diodes to resist current flow in one direction. Since you’ll remember that your car battery stores DC, you’ll know that the power can flow only one way, but, this flow can be from one positive to another. This means that the power would flow out of one battery, and into the other. The diode isolator splits the positive wire from the alternator and runs the power through 2 groups of high amperage diodes to direct the charging voltage to each battery. When the charging system is not running (the engine is off), the diodes prevent power from flowing away from the positive terminal of either battery. There is no switching system or moving parts to this isolator, but it is typically very susceptible to power surges that can damage the diodes and can be limiting in the maximum amount of current available for charging and running accessories with the engine on.

A solenoid isolator operates much like the starter solenoid on your starter. It is similar to a relay, but is designed to carry a significantly higher amount of current, and for longer periods of time. This type of isolator is not as limiting in its current capability, but it has moving parts and requires that you connect a control wire to the car’s ignition circuits so the solenoid only closes when you are in the run position on the ignition switch. This unit can only be switched so many times and will eventually fail from continued use.

The third type of isolator is the electronic isolator. These units may use semi-conductors or internal relays like a remote starting system. They use internal electronic circuits to detect a charging voltage greater than 13 volts. When this voltage, higher than the voltage on a charged battery, is detected, the isolator will allow the circuit to close and the second battery to charge.

For all three types of isolator, you still use the battery your accessories are connected to for engine-off power. You batteries still charge from the alternator, and you accessories still receive power from the alternator when the car is running. This is an ideal configuration for your car’s electrical system. A second battery, paired with a proper isolator, a strong starting battery and high output alternator is a excellent foundation for any system. You’ll be able to reach maximum output while running your engine, and play your system for a long period of time with the engine off. Additionally, if you ever leave you headlights on, you can typically turn the key to run for a few moments and get the car started, or simply connect a jumper cable from the lead to the second battery and the starting batteries positive and get started that way.

I hope this helps people out in some way and I apologize for the length, but I feel its necessary to explain the purpose and operation of the electrical storage system. Thanks for reading, if you have other questions, please post them here so everyone can benefit from it. I will eventually try to do a tutorial on actually installing a second battery and isolator. If anyone else would like to do so as well, please feel free to post your install here. Good luck.
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#352777 - 28/09/04 04:41 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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#352778 - 28/09/04 04:42 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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This is changing now, with batteries such ass the Optima Yellow Top and Optima Blue Top.
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#352779 - 28/09/04 10:15 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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#352780 - 03/10/04 08:28 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Time for my next chapter.

HOW TO INSTALL A SECOND BATTERY.

Before you start any project, you need to decide what tools and materials you need. This will depend on what you have done already. Have you done The Big 3? Do you have a High Output Alternator? Or have you done nothing else at this time?

Typical Tools Needed:
-Large gauge wire cutters
-Standard wire cutters/strippers
-Assorted flat and phillips screwdrivers
-Pliers
-A vice or large vice-grips
-1/4" and 3/8" Drive socket sets
-Battery terminal cleaning brush
-Battery terminal puller(for top post only)
-Assorted wrenches
-Drill with drill bits and wire brush
-3/4" metal hole saw or paddle bit
-Digital multimeter

Typical Materials Needed
-"x" feet of large gauge wire for power
-"x" feet of large gauge wire for grounds at the new battery and isolator (if required)
-3 to 7 ring terminals for above wire, dictated by your termianls, isolator and installation needs
-"x" feet of black plastic wire protector
-Zip ties
-Electrical tape
-"x" gauge wire grommets for passing through metal
-Positive battery terminal with enough points for stock wires plus all added wires
-Positive battery terminal with enough points for charging wire plus amp power wires
-Negative battery terminal with enough points for battery ground and amplifier grounds
-18 gauge wire for islator control
-Small ring terminal for 18 gauge wire
-Machiene screw to attach battery ground if none is available near battery location
-*Battery enclosure with vent tubes if battery is to be in trunk, hatch or ext. cab area (can be home made or have a window for viewing)
-And of course a second battery (deep cycle)

*This applies to ALL conventional automotive batteries. Even "sealed" batteries are vented in some way to release the gasses created by the discharge/charge cycle. This gas is toxic, corrosive and flamable and must be released outside the vehicle.

This set of instructions is just for the installation of the battery itself. Hooking up the amps is the same as when running to the main battery, but the wires are shorter and the ground can go directly back to the battery.

To start with, disconnet your ground to the main battery to prevent sparks and damage to electrical components.

Next, install the main charging wire like you would for any amplifier installation. This wire should be rated to handle at LEAST the maximum rated current draw of all your amplifiers or accesories you intend to run off the second battery. This wire will carry power to charge the rear battery and operate all your accesories when the engine is running. After the wire is through the firewall, leave some slack in the engine compartment and wait to run the wire to the trunk or wherever the battery is to be installed.

Next, fuse the main wire within 18 inches of the battery. This will protect the wire from a short drawing excessive current from the orriginal battery. Fuse above the total accesory current draw, but no more than the wires rated ampacity.

You can skp the above steps if you already have a suitable wire run from a previous installation.

Find a sutable location near the main battery for the isolator. The isolator needs to be securely mounted to the inner fender or firewall, away from the exhaust or anywhere fluids may be spilled when refilling them.

Route the wire to the isolator and cut it so there is some slack between the isolator and the main battery. Install a ring terminal on both ends of the wire at the isolator.

If your isolator has only 2 power terminals, connect the wire from the main battery to the input terminal and the wire to the rear of the car to the output terminal. If you have three terminals on your isolator, connect the wire from the main battery to the input terminal and connect the wire to the rear of the car to the terminal for the auxilary or isolated battery.

Connect a control wire, if required by your isolator, to a wire that is only hot when the car's ignition switch is in the RUN mode. This will isolate the batteries anytime the engine is not running, preventing you from draining your main starting battery and keeping the batteries from draining each other when the car is sitting.

Now, continue to run your main charging wire to the area where the battery will be. Keep it away from RCA wires to prevent noise in your system, if one is already installed.

Once your wire is where you need it, test fit your battery enclosure to decide where to drill holes for your vent tubes. Mark and drill your holes with a hole saw or paddle bit large enough to allow the vent tubes to slide easily through (typically between 1/2 and 3/4 of an inch) and feed them through. Use silicone to seal around the tube so exhaust and battery fumes don't get pulled back into the car.

Secure the battery enclosure to the car and place the battery inside. Estimate where to cut your power wire, guess an inch or so long to allow for slack. Yon can leave the wire long if you feel it will be necessary for some upcoming changes.

Install a second fuse in the charge wire within 18 inches of the second battery. This will prevent a short from pulling excessive current from the second battery. This IS necessary even with the fuse at the front.

Now, find a suitable grounding point for the new battery, drill any necessary holes and use the a drill with a wire brush to remove all paint and primer from the area. Make a ground wire long enough to reach that ground from the battery. Use a ring terminal to attach at the chassis. Bolt it down securely, but don't strip out your hole.

Now, connect your charge wire to your battery terminals at the main and secondary batterys and hook the terminals to the batteries. Connect any amplifier power wires at this time also if you wish.

Next, connect the gound wire to the battery terminal for the secondary battery, along with any amp wires if you wish. Once all the wires are connected to the terminal, connect the terminal to the battery and secure the battery to the enclosure with the hold down bracket or strap. Place the cover for your enclosure on and secure it.

Reconnect your main battery's ground wire and make any ground wires needed for your isolator, hook them up. Clean up your tools. Install the fuse at the front of the charge wire, under the hood. Use a meter to check for voltage on the wire going to the trunk, you should get 0v with the key off or in accesory and 12v with the key in the run position. Install the fuse in the charge wire at the rear of the car.

Now you are ready to go out on the town, playing your system or running your accesories as much as your rear battery can handle. If it goes dead, start the car and charge it up. You'll never have a dead battery because you played your stereo too long again. Enjoy and good luck.
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#352781 - 02/11/04 03:09 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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For clarification, I would recommend using a SOLENOID as the best method for isolation. If you get a high current model (300+ amps) that is internally sealed, it should last as long as you have your system (assuming of course you don't have a 300+ amp system!). Not only is it cheaper, but you don't incur a substantial voltage loss on a good solenoid like you would with diodes.

Also, just because your 2nd battery is now isolated, don't assume you can just play your system until it cuts off because you will quickly ruin even a deep-cycle battery if you discharge to 10.5V and below. If you have a capacitor with a digital voltmeter (or are willing to buy a seperate voltmeter), check the display from time to time. I would recommend not taking your battery below 11.0V, at that point you've used most of it's capacity, but aren't really stressing a deep-cycle. If you're creative enough, you can even wire the RED wire to your CD player off the 2nd battery, and if you put enough diodes in series with it (2 to 5 depending upon at what point your CD player turns off because the voltage is too low), then your whole system will turn off automatically when the voltage drops to that specific value..... it will take some trial and error to get it perfect. Good luck!

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#352782 - 17/11/04 06:08 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Thanks for helping a newb out
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#352783 - 17/11/04 10:19 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Can you explain how capacitors fit into the explanation that you gave? How do you know if/when they will be helpful? How do you know which one to get if you decide one is necessary?
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#352784 - 17/11/04 10:24 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Oh yeah, and could you also explain the use/function of distribution blocks? How do you know if they would be useful? How do they affect the rest of the electrical system?

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#352785 - 29/12/04 10:06 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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definitly a much needed sticky, good write up.
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#352786 - 29/12/04 11:00 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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definitly a much needed sticky, good write up.
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#352787 - 29/12/04 12:07 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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definitly a much needed sticky, good write up.
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Ive got some ****ty no name brand under the hood but I have a stinger1000sp in the trunk for my amps with a selenoid and breakers in between...What type of batttery should I go with when it comes to replacing the primary?
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#352788 - 03/01/05 04:00 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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definitly a much needed sticky, good write up.
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one Q.

Ive got some ****ty no name brand under the hood but I have a stinger1000sp in the trunk for my amps with a selenoid and breakers in between...What type of batttery should I go with when it comes to replacing the primary?
If they are isolated, then any brand of OEM replacement you would trust is fine. I'd visit Auto-Zone for all my battery needs, but thats just my preference, just avoide the Wal-Mart Never-Start (Ever-Start) batteries. I had one in my Cadillac, went through 2 to 3 a year in any vehicle there was a Never-Start installed in. I got a Duralast from AZ and I haven't had a single issue with it.
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#352789 - 02/03/05 02:17 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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"Even two IDENTICAL brand, model and rating batteries will slowly drain each other dead over a period of time."

I don't agree with this, based on over 30 yrs. of experience with multiple battery setups. I've seen 4 group 31's connected in parallel with no isolation from one another of any kind, have absolutely no problem starting a 3406 Cat, a 675 Mack, or any other number of heavy duty diesels, after sitting for extended periods (1-3 mos.). None of the light duty or medium duty diesel trucks with dual batteries have any isolation between the batteries either (Ford, Chevy, Dodge).
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#352790 - 11/03/05 04:42 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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^ You correct. But that is a significantly different application than car audio. Also, you should understand that I deal with semis on a regular basis. My father has driven a tractor-trailer for about 17 years. I've worked on the electrical systems in them many times. So while you are correct that they CAN last for several months without charging and without draining each other, remember the difference of application. And also, I've always found that with his trucks, more often than not, if left for more than about a week with all accesories such as lights or a refrigerator, the batteries WILL be dead to the popint of not starting the truck or at least not doing so easily. Turst me there. I've been around about 100 trucks on a daily basis for 5 years of my life and I've watch the jumpstarts needed by the guys getting back from weekends off and vacations.

Like I said, you are right, but I'd only say that holds true about 40% of the time. Thats nto even factoring in cold weather or maintenance.

Now considder that with semis, they charge the batteries for 10 hours straight and are off for only a few hours typically, with little or no draw, and so drivers actually idle the truck MOST of the time they are parked, then you have a enviroment where being charged is more or less the batties natural state and resting, for batteries is semis, is the lesser portion of the day. Sorry to blow that idea for you.

With cars, typically the car is on for 30 or 40 minutes, then off for 8 hours, then on for another 30 or 40 mins and then off for the night, sometimes more than 12 hours. Than means that a car battery has about 200% the time to drain and about 1% of the charging time to maintain and service the batteries. Add in that a car battery is probably less maintained than the batteries in a semi due to the typical persons maintenance skills, you have a situation that basically means that in spite of high starting current needs and long periods of vibration, trucks are probably the happy place for automotive batteries......
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#352791 - 13/03/05 04:24 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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The fleet I worked for ran the trucks for 10 hrs, then the driver took an 8hr motel break. The drivers were required to shut the trucks off during their breaks. Our spare trucks sometimes sat for 2-3 mos. without being started. They rarely needed a jump. Matched batteries will discharge just as fast as unmatched batteries if they are abused. Repeatedly leaving accessories on for an extended period of time will eventually damage ANY battery/battery combination, regardless of whether they are matched or not. Also, unless you know how to read each particular battery manufacturers date coding system, you have no way of determining if you're getting 2 batteries that were manufactured at the same time. Buying 2 batteries at the same time from the same store doesn't quarantee squat.
There's pro's and con's to both approaches (matched batteries vs. unmatched batteries).
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#352792 - 05/06/05 01:09 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Mmm, interesting. But about the Big Three, where can I find someone that can be able to fix it for my truck? Any Audio Stereo stores should know all this stuff, right? If that's the case, then how much do they charge you, in general?

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#352793 - 13/06/05 04:22 AM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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What kinda isolator can charge the under hood starting battery with 80 amps and the audio system with 120 amps ? ( per say )
I plan on getting a 280 amp alt and want my starting battery to keep an 80 amp charge and my trunk battery to keep a 200 amp charge going ..

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#352794 - 15/06/05 05:40 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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i was just about to post something about how can i run 2 batteries when i seen this. thx. nice tutoriall
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I believe the description of reserve capacity is incorrect in the top post.

It should read: "The battery's Reserve Capacity tells you how long the battery can supply a 25 amp current before falling to 10.7 volts while at 80 degrees Fahrenheit."

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#352796 - 30/06/05 01:32 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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I believe the description of reserve capacity is incorrect in the top post.

It should read: "The battery's Reserve Capacity tells you how long the battery can supply a 25 amp current before falling to 10.7 volts while at 80 degrees Fahrenheit."

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Actually is 10.2v so we are both a little off.
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#352797 - 25/12/05 05:14 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Ive got some ****ty no name brand under the hood but I have a stinger1000sp in the trunk for my amps with a selenoid and breakers in between...What type of batttery should I go with when it comes to replacing the primary?
If they are isolated, then any brand of OEM replacement you would trust is fine. I'd visit Auto-Zone for all my battery needs, but thats just my preference, just avoide the Wal-Mart Never-Start (Ever-Start) batteries. I had one in my Cadillac, went through 2 to 3 a year in any vehicle there was a Never-Start installed in. I got a Duralast from AZ and I haven't had a single issue with it.
i use a Ever start on my test bench for over 4 years now, charged by a NAPA automatic charger 6 Amps, powering a 840 watts amp and a Kenwood head unit, and some times i run it all day long, EXCELLENT battery
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Ive got some ****ty no name brand under the hood but I have a stinger1000sp in the trunk for my amps with a selenoid and breakers in between...What type of batttery should I go with when it comes to replacing the primary?
If they are isolated, then any brand of OEM replacement you would trust is fine. I'd visit Auto-Zone for all my battery needs, but thats just my preference, just avoide the Wal-Mart Never-Start (Ever-Start) batteries. I had one in my Cadillac, went through 2 to 3 a year in any vehicle there was a Never-Start installed in. I got a Duralast from AZ and I haven't had a single issue with it.
i use a Ever start on my test bench for over 4 years now, charged by a NAPA automatic charger 6 Amps, powering a 840 watts amp and a Kenwood head unit, and some times i run it all day long, EXCELLENT battery

Its excelent in that application i'm sure. But there is far less temperature change, far less vibration, the battery charger is far superior to the alternator and the battery doesn't have to support an entire car. It's also not exposed to the weather. Also, I notice you have a yellow top in you car. Trust me, anything can work great in the perfect conditions. I've just had nothing but bad experiences with the Neverstarts. REgardless of maintenace, they always fail. YMMV, but mine has been consistantly bad.
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#352799 - 27/02/06 10:16 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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In the first post it said that you need an isolator if you want to play your system hard with your car off. I only play it hard when the car is on. I am thinking about getting a second battery, so if i dont play it hard when the car is off is it ok just to wire the second battery in parallel with the first one? thanks
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#352800 - 09/03/06 07:57 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Is There any way to add a second battery without using an isolator I know u can connect two new and identical 12-volt batteries together. and that you should not Mix age or type But are there any problems with doing this?
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#352801 - 09/03/06 09:04 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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What I know...
You can connect two 12-volt batteries in parallel. If you connect two 12-volt batteries in parallel you can potentially double the total capacity. If you connect two that are not the same type, you will either overcharge the smaller one, or you will undercharge the larger. To pervent recharging problems when connecting batteries in parallel, do not mix old and new batteries or ones of different types.

But what type/size Cabe should be used? and what are the Draw backs to doing this, and do u need to modife anything to suport a parallel set up? Do you have to conect both batteries to the alternator?

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#352802 - 01/06/06 08:11 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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definitly a much needed sticky, good write up.
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one Q.

Ive got some ****ty no name brand under the hood but I have a stinger1000sp in the trunk for my amps with a selenoid and breakers in between...What type of batttery should I go with when it comes to replacing the primary?
If they are isolated, then any brand of OEM replacement you would trust is fine. I'd visit Auto-Zone for all my battery needs, but thats just my preference, just avoide the Wal-Mart Never-Start (Ever-Start) batteries. I had one in my Cadillac, went through 2 to 3 a year in any vehicle there was a Never-Start installed in. I got a Duralast from AZ and I haven't had a single issue with it.
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a have a Ever Start (your never start) in my garage on a 6 amp charger 24/7, powering a Kenwood HU and a 800 Watt amp for 5 years now and i used it last weak to jumpstart the neighbor's truck it's like new still.
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#352803 - 01/06/06 09:08 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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Yeah, a STATIONALY BATTERY THAT'S CONSTANTLY CHARGED AT A CONSISTANT RATE AND VOLTAGE.

That's NOTHING like use in a car.
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#352804 - 06/06/06 11:14 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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#352805 - 12/11/06 06:42 PM Re: Batteries, Second Batteries and Isolators.
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I read the previous entries, but want to make sure that I understand correctly. If I install a second battery with an isolator I does or does not matter if the batteries are the same? I've talked to an installer and he says that they should be the same. Please help. From what I understand the electrical system should charge to a certain level and then the switch should flip to the other batteries preventing under or over charging right?
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