#1509297 - 12/10/08 12:36 PM
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Looking to possibly replace my door speakers (and maybe the tweeters in the a pillars) in my 99 Ram quad cab. First of all, does anyone know the size/depth of the door speakers?
I wanted to replace them and get an amp.
I have alot of questions but would love some general input from those that have upgraded as to what they went with and how they like the sound.
BTW I currently have an Alpine head unit and I do not want to add a sub. I just want a nice clean, strong mid bass system.
I went to a local stereo shop yesterday and here is what they recommended.
Everything is Rockford Fosgate.
RF P1692 6x9's - $79.99
P1T Tweeters (to replace the factory ones) $99.99
and either a P200.2 amp (50x2) $199.99
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P400.4 (50x4) $259.99 incase I want to replace the rear speakers in the future.
Labor is:
$60 on the speakers
$65 on the amp
$60 for wiring kit.
He said those 6x9's would fit in with no issue.
I have read several places online recommending the Infinity Reference 6x9's and say they fit it just barely. Only place locally that sells them is Best Buy. But then I wouldn't know what tweeters to replace the factory ones with.
Any thoughts?
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#1509360 - 12/10/08 04:56 PM
Re: Small system for truck. Help.
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Thanks for the reply.
I have heard most shops around will charge you extra because you didn't buy the parts from therm and also give no warranty.
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#1509365 - 12/10/08 05:20 PM
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that's true to an extent. They'll warranty the install, which they did, but they can't help it if you bring them bad gear. That being said, make sure you are going to a reputable shop to get your work done.
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#1509372 - 12/10/08 06:08 PM
Re: Small system for truck. Help.
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that's correct you can also buy the warranty threw crutchfield i just install my self and save the cash on labor and do it right and dont get the warranty because most of the time if ran right it's abuse that causes a sub or speaker not to work if you want a funny look out of the guys that suggest the fosgate stuff ask them how much extra watts it will put out over what it rated at it might have blown those fosgate 6x9 they suggested if you set it correctly. which alpine head unit do you have they sell a up grade amp for some alpines that steps up to 40 x4@4ohm rms which would be even better then buying a amp i suggest checking in to it to i know they carry it at crutchfield
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#1509373 - 12/10/08 06:10 PM
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buy from the shop doing the install so if something doesn't work you don't have a finger pointing game. that RF equipment listed should work - recommend the 4 channel amp but no rear speakers. power the tweeters and 6x9's separately.
how it will sound - all depends on the install. you should have them seal and deaden your doors if you want those 6x9's to really perform.
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#1509374 - 12/10/08 06:11 PM
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that's correct you can also buy the warranty threw crutchfield i just install my self and save the cash on labor and do it right and dont get the warranty because most of the time if ran right it's abuse that causes a sub or speaker not to work if you want a funny look out of the guys that suggest the fosgate stuff ask them how much extra watts it will put out over what it rated at it might have blown those fosgate 6x9 they suggested if you set it correctly. which alpine head unit do you have they sell a up grade amp for some alpines that steps up to 40 x4@4ohm rms which would be even better then buying a amp i suggest checking in to it to i know they carry it at crutchfield
this be the one
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500KTP445/Alpine-KTP-445-Power-Pack.html?tp=115
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#1509379 - 12/10/08 06:21 PM
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even thought fosgate will handle more then what they are rated i believe those are the punch series not the power series. which really will only handle about 40 watts each. if meant by what there rated at to handle only about 37.5 watts each speaker and there hooking them to a punch amp putting out 50 watts by 4 or 2. and you right on the other points to like buy from the same shop that does the install save time on the return.
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#1509403 - 12/10/08 07:38 PM
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obviously, the gain should be set based on the desired RMS power delivered to the speaker at max volume. a 50W amp will not produce 50W unless you force it to.
an Image Dynamics 6x9 component set would be much nicer IMO. i'm not a fan of the Punch series.
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#1509456 - 12/10/08 10:59 PM
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+1 on the Image Dynamics.
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#1509905 - 13/10/08 02:20 PM
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Thanks so much for the help.
First of all the alpine is a 7894. Older model but it still works fine. Here is a link.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Wb8lB5g6cdR/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?i=500CDA7894
Never knew they they sold an "upgrade amp". I'll look into it.
Yes the 6x9's are Punch instead of Power. the guy said that power 6x9's won't fit but looking at RF's site the mounting depth appears to be the same.
Heere's a link to them
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/...en_US&p_status=
Not familiar with Image Dynamics and I don't see a dealer around my area.
I forgot about another place I went to suggested Orion Cobalt 6x9's and an orion amp.
I am not dead set on RF but after looking around they were the nicest/most helpful people and the RF 6x9's sounded good even though the display didn't have them going through an amp alone.
Please keep any suggestions coming.
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#1510019 - 13/10/08 05:56 PM
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then go with the RF and that dealer. customer service goes a long way. you can do much worse than RF punch - if you like them then rock them. it'll smoke the stock speakers.
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#1510293 - 14/10/08 07:04 AM
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I may do that keep_hope. One thing that bothers me slightly is that I can't really find any reviews online for the 6x9's.
They also sell Autotek, MBQuart, Pioneer and Kenwood. Of course they didn't push any of the other ones but do you think any of them are worth asking about?
Also, do you have a rough idea of how much $$$ it is to have my door deadened/sealed?
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#1510305 - 14/10/08 07:33 AM
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depends on the deadener used and their markup on it. dynamat extreme is probably what they'll offer you. it will be more than the speakers - but make them sound a lot better.
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#1510473 - 14/10/08 09:48 AM
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I may do that keep_hope. One thing that bothers me slightly is that I can't really find any reviews online for the 6x9's.
They also sell Autotek, MBQuart, Pioneer and Kenwood. Of course they didn't push any of the other ones but do you think any of them are worth asking about?
Also, do you have a rough idea of how much $$$ it is to have my door deadened/sealed?
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#1510865 - 14/10/08 02:04 PM
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hahaha. true, most 6x9's are pretty bad. my favorite 6x9 pair were Eclipse from 1994 - great speakers.
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#1510979 - 14/10/08 05:12 PM
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Well I've dealt with crappy factory 6x9's since August 99 in my truck so some aftermarket ones should last me several more years. I'm not entering any contests.
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#1511022 - 14/10/08 08:15 PM
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we know. you can just get so much better sound from a 6.5" set of components. in the end, you want it to sound good - but good is relative.
go with your gut, get the RF 6x9's, and you'll be happy. listen to us and you'll always wonder what your missing. but someday, give a component set a try.
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#1511927 - 16/10/08 06:28 AM
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I will most likely add some 6.5's to the rear doors and power them off the other 2 channels of this amp. It may be a month or so before I do it but that's my plan.
ANother quesiton. The guy at the shop opened an amp box to show me the spec sheet. The amp is rated at 50x4 rms but the spec sheet showed that amp to push 79x4 rms. So, since I want to run the 6x9's and the tweeters off two of the channels will that effectively cut the 79 watts (for example) in half? IOW, one channel would be pushing 39.5 watts to a 6x9 and 39.5 watts to a tweeter.
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#1512243 - 16/10/08 10:40 AM
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no, the power will not be split in half.
a coaxial or component speaker uses multiple drivers to achieve a full sound. woofers produce lower frequencies and midrange frequencies, tweeters produce high frequencies. a crossover or filter will divide the sound to each speaker. the power the speakers get is directly related to the impedance of the speaker system. basically, the power available to the speaker will be the same for both drivers, since they operate independently.
i say "power available" since you will rarely give the speakers 79W or even 50W. the gain setting, the volume setting, and the source material will all determine the signal level given to the speakers.
adding 6.5's to the rear doors won't help you sound better - instead it will probably make it sound worse. they will give you more volume though.
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#1512732 - 17/10/08 05:54 AM
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thanks for the explanation, keep.
Just curious, are you basing your statement that '6.5's in the rear will probably make it sound worse' on your personal preference? I mean, it's like that from the dealer and I don't think it sounds bad.
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#1513115 - 17/10/08 05:10 PM
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exactly. they are off-axis to you, they are blocked, and people usually buy cheaper speakers to put in the rear. all of that adds up to crappy sound coming from behind you that ruins what is in front of you. the only way i'll run rears is if i have a surround sound system and they are only for surround sound movies - or if they are aimed back for rear passengers in a large vehicle and i couldn't hear them from the front seat.
i have experimented with rear speakers for over a decade. over ten years ago i had all rear, now i have all front. i've only had one system where rears worked out - and they were in custom pods aimed toward the front with time delay.
do this - try playing the rears only. if they sound poor like that, they still sound poor when mixed with front speakers. then try just the front and listen for more detail and fewer cancellations.
rear speakers in factory systems are typically designed for bass frequencies only - like factory 6x9's with front components. manufacturers are learning, some care, most don't. most just put speakers where it's convenient - not where they should be for accurate reproduction and good sound quality.
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#1513142 - 17/10/08 06:33 PM
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thanks again, keep.
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#1513644 - 18/10/08 08:02 PM
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Look into Kicker 6x9s. Ive got a set of 2ways in the back of my Toyota 4runner. They are in decent sized single boxes, not little behind the seat truck boxes. Have a 600w Pioneer 2ch amp pushing em. They sound great, and have great bass for a 6x9. Im not sure of the model number on em, as Ive had em for 3 years now and havent blown em up yet and needed to replace em,lol
I honestly figured that amp woulda done em in by now, lol
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