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#1497441 - 23/09/08 10:46 PM dont know whats wrong...
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hello, i am running 2 jl 12" w7's with 2 jl 500/1, i also have a cap and i just put in a new battery about 2 months ago. my system bangs for sure, but the past couple of days when i turn my bass on past a certain volume the subs start weakening. i dont know if this is caused by not having enough juice in the battery or if im loosing power somewhere? if anyone could help me i would grealty appreciate it. thanks
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#1497461 - 24/09/08 04:55 AM Re: dont know whats wrong... [Re: woojimmyshea]
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sounds like you are overdriving them and if you have a ported box you might be unloading them at certain frequencies. so my questions are, how do you have everything tuned? i.e. what are your crossover points, how much bass boost are you utilizing both on your headunit and your amplifiers? do you have a "loud" feature on your HU that you are using? are the subs in a ported box?

also, how is the 2nd battery hooked up? did you use an isolator? are the batteries the same brand?
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#1497515 - 24/09/08 06:20 AM Re: dont know whats wrong... [Re: MA585]
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i'm thinking that your voltage is dropping too low. put a DMM on it and tell us what it is when it starts "weakening"

adding additional batteries can cause more problems then they solve if not perfectly executed.
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#1497557 - 24/09/08 07:16 AM Re: dont know whats wrong... [Re: keep_hope_alive]
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sorry guys..i dont have an extra battery. i just got a new battery. As for my box here it is, i built it myself

Ported Enclosure for 2-12W7's
Net Volume: 3.5 cu.ft.
Gross Volume: 4.75 cu.ft.
Tune to: 32 Hz
2 Ports: 1.75" Wide X 14.5" High X 24" Long
Material: .75"
Enclosure Height: 16"

ill get additional information later...thanks

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#1497864 - 24/09/08 01:47 PM Re: dont know whats wrong... [Re: woojimmyshea]
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my first suggestion would be try taking out the cap and simply running it like that first, and see if you still have issue. as KHA said, check you're vehicles voltage as well as the amps' voltage (output, if you have a CD with test tones) I would double check ALL your gains and settings on the amps and headunit. Sometimes things just get touched or changed without noticing or realizing it. if you are driving the amps past too hard and getting too much distortion, you can loose output that way as well. i don't think it's the subs since you are only giving them 500watts which for them isn't too much to handle.
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#1497877 - 24/09/08 02:02 PM Re: dont know whats wrong... [Re: woojimmyshea]
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couple things it could be the cap is going had it happen to a power acoustic cap then all of a sudden you got no bass because the cap went. any ways try disconnecting the cap and see if you can get volume out of it. at 500 rms you should not even need a cap it that small of a amp. i got 600rms hook to my Taurus but it a small drawl amp a kenwood excelon x10d drawing 40 amps. the most you should drawl is 60 amps. but those subs should hit with that amp but the other guy could be right to you will drawl more power at that exact frequency so if it tuned at 32 and it hitting 32 your going drawling more power. instead of them being 500rms they may take 6-800 rms got to remember caps are just a band-aids. i am not the best at boxes but is that tuned a little low shouldn't it be tuned some were in the 35-47 hz range? got to remember if you go 30 hz your on the verge of not hearing the bass but only feeling it in a ported box. because any thing 30 hz and below is out of our hearing range and if you turn the ifs or subsonic filter on it my cancel out or not play it. your not saying muddy so your cross over point is not wrong. or it is one of the two.
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#1497887 - 24/09/08 02:07 PM Re: dont know whats wrong... [Re: Sadistic_customs]
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 Originally Posted By: Sadistic_customs
couple things it could be the cap is going had it happen to a power acoustic cap then all of a sudden you got no bass because the cap went. any ways try disconnecting the cap and see if you can get volume out of it. at 500 rms you should not even need a cap it that small of a amp. i got 600rms hook to my Taurus but it a small drawl amp a kenwood excelon x10d drawing 40 amps. the most you should drawl is 60 amps. but those subs should hit with that amp but the other guy could be right to you will drawl more power at that exact frequency so if it tuned at 32 and it hitting 32 your going drawling more power. instead of them being 500rms they may take 6-800 rms got to remember caps are just a band-aids. i am not the best at boxes but is that tuned a little low shouldn't it be tuned some were in the 35-47 hz range? got to remember if you go 30 hz your on the verge of not hearing the bass but only feeling it in a ported box. because any thing 30 hz and below is out of our hearing range and if you turn the ifs or subsonic filter on it my cancel out or not play it. your not saying muddy so your cross over point is not wrong. or it is one of the two.


I don't think that the tuning frequency is the problem if that IS in fact what it's tuned to. A box tuned that low will still play higher audible frequencies, besides the tuning and box were both the same as before when the stereo was bumpin' in the first place. I did mention and agree that the cap should be looked at though.
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#1497893 - 24/09/08 02:11 PM Re: dont know whats wrong... [Re: The Return of Jason Gold]
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 Originally Posted By: The Return of Jason Gold
 Originally Posted By: Sadistic_customs
couple things it could be the cap is going had it happen to a power acoustic cap then all of a sudden you got no bass because the cap went. any ways try disconnecting the cap and see if you can get volume out of it. at 500 rms you should not even need a cap it that small of a amp. i got 600rms hook to my Taurus but it a small drawl amp a kenwood excelon x10d drawing 40 amps. the most you should drawl is 60 amps. but those subs should hit with that amp but the other guy could be right to you will drawl more power at that exact frequency so if it tuned at 32 and it hitting 32 your going drawling more power. instead of them being 500rms they may take 6-800 rms got to remember caps are just a band-aids. i am not the best at boxes but is that tuned a little low shouldn't it be tuned some were in the 35-47 hz range? got to remember if you go 30 hz your on the verge of not hearing the bass but only feeling it in a ported box. because any thing 30 hz and below is out of our hearing range and if you turn the ifs or subsonic filter on it my cancel out or not play it. your not saying muddy so your cross over point is not wrong. or it is one of the two.


I don't think that the tuning frequency is the problem if that IS in fact what it's tuned to. A box tuned that low will still play higher audible frequencies, besides the tuning and box were both the same as before when the stereo was bumpin' in the first place. I did mention and agree that the cap should be looked at though.


like i said not the best at boxes

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